Quarantine

Quarantine is ONLY for the sick and the unhealthy.  

What we have been dealing with is TYRANNY.  Plain and simple.

Sleazee P Martinee wrote:Quarantine is ONLY for the sick and the unhealthy.  

What we have been dealing with is TYRANNY.  Plain and simple.

If we had a functioning government, like many other countries on this planet, we wouldn't be quarantined without pay.  If the U.S. had followed England's example we wouldn't be complaining about tyranny.  The UK gov has been paying employers, who in turn have been paying their employees to stay home.  So while the civilized world sees its workers continue to receive regular paychecks, here in the barbaric U.S., we have been given a whopping $2000 over the last 13 months.  Well, some of us have received $2000.

Instead, we had the Repubs and Dems holding hands while they gave trillions of dollars to the richest of the rich.  You know, the handful of people who don't need any monetary relief at all.  Still, our dysfunctional government decided that the best course of action was to initiate the largest upward transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

One of the first steps of a solution to this problem is to NEVER vote for another Dem or Repub ever again.  Third party all the way.  The two major parties are so corrupt at this point that it is impossible for us to have a functioning government with either party at the helm.  The Biden admin is really just Reagan's 11th term.

What we dealt with was 10 months of intentionally botched response because 45 was installed to destroy us from within and two and a half months of a competent leadership handling the issue.

It's not rocket surgery.

Lelu Dallas wrote:What we dealt with was 10 months of intentionally botched response because 45 was installed to destroy us from within and two and a half months of a competent leadership handling the issue.

It's not rocket surgery.

Don't get me started on DeJoy still being the Postmaster General and how he's still working night and day to destroy the people's communication network to (among other things) increase the profits of private parcel services to which he is beholden.

Though, calling the Biden admin competent is a bit of a stretch.  The Dems are doing everything in their power to sweep the Repubs into majority in both Houses of Congress in 2022.  Their first fark up was saying $1400 = $2000.  The math is easy enough on that one for people to take notice.  Their abandonment of a national $15/hr min wage was another way of stuffing the ballot box for Republicans in 2022.  The party that gives this country actual healthcare, so we can catch up to the 20th century, will hold on to power for at least 3 decades, probably four, but that would go against the wishes of those who own the two parties, so it won't happen if we rely solely on them.

Vic Vegas wrote:

Sleazee P Martinee wrote:Quarantine is ONLY for the sick and the unhealthy.  

What we have been dealing with is TYRANNY.  Plain and simple.

If we had a functioning government, like many other countries on this planet, we wouldn't be quarantined without pay.  If the U.S. had followed England's example we wouldn't be complaining about tyranny.  The UK gov has been paying employers, who in turn have been paying their employees to stay home.  So while the civilized world sees its workers continue to receive regular paychecks, here in the barbaric U.S., we have been given a whopping $2000 over the last 13 months.  Well, some of us have received $2000.

Instead, we had the Repubs and Dems holding hands while they gave trillions of dollars to the richest of the rich.  You know, the handful of people who don't need any monetary relief at all.  Still, our dysfunctional government decided that the best course of action was to initiate the largest upward transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

One of the first steps of a solution to this problem is to NEVER vote for another Dem or Repub ever again.  Third party all the way.  The two major parties are so corrupt at this point that it is impossible for us to have a functioning government with either party at the helm.  The Biden admin is really just Reagan's 11th term.

Unfortunately, Governments don't have any of their own money, all Government money is in reality just taxpayer money, so giving citizens payments either directly or through their employers is really just giving people their own money back. Although, I have to agree that bailing out the rich again; remember "too big to fail", sucks for the middle class, who end up paying for it.

Lelu Dallas wrote:What we dealt with was 10 months of intentionally botched response because 45 was installed to destroy us from within and two and a half months of a competent leadership handling the issue.

It's not rocket surgery.

The "intentional botching" under 45 was a direct result of partisan Democrat stalling and ineptitude, 45 was trying to do the right things: stopping international flights, closing the Southern border, pushing big pharma to fast track vaccines, but the Dems decided that they'd rather try to impeach 45 instead of taking care of real concerns and trying to help 45 solve the "pandemic pandemonium". To Vic's point, 45 was essentially a 3rd party candidate, the Republicans didn't want him as CIC anymore than the Dems did, all 3rd party, Libertarian, etc politicians have to deal with being marginalized by the embedded Big Government machine.

So much of that is false that I'm just gonna pray for ya buddy.

Stalker wrote:

Lelu Dallas wrote:What we dealt with was 10 months of intentionally botched response because 45 was installed to destroy us from within and two and a half months of a competent leadership handling the issue.

It's not rocket surgery.

The "intentional botching" under 45 was a direct result of partisan Democrat stalling and ineptitude, 45 was trying to do the right things: stopping international flights, closing the Southern border, pushing big pharma to fast track vaccines, but the Dems decided that they'd rather try to impeach 45 instead of taking care of real concerns and trying to help 45 solve the "pandemic pandemonium".  To Vic's point, 45 was essentially a 3rd party candidate, the Republicans didn't want him as CIC anymore than the Dems did, all 3rd party, Libertarian, etc politicians have to deal with being marginalized by the embedded Big Government machine.    

In this country, there are no good guy politicians when it comes to COVID.  Both parties agreed that their priority was to send trucks full of cash to the richest of the rich and then wash their hands of the matter.  It is especially egregious because there were many examples from around the world on how to correctly combat the virus that didn't involve bailing out cruise line companies.  But both parties agreed that socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else was the way to go.  They couldn't have been more wrong.  A combination of shutting everything down + individual economic relief was the way to go but both parties are so bought and paid for they couldn't see past the greenbacks being flashed before their eyes.  A truly pathetic situation where we need to "throw ALL the bums out."

Trump's profit-driven schemes of giving medical supplies to newly formed companies made by his friends who would then set up a competitive bidding system, pitting state against state, was a grossly inefficient and corrupt way to go about distributing supplies.  Trump was clearly in way over his head and his limited toolset of profit-driven solutions had no answer for the global plague.  Instead of encouraging Governors to be "anti-mask" and to go as far as denying the existence of COVID, he should have removed ALL Federal funding from any state that acted accordingly, against the health and well-being of its citizens.

You've got your media that acts like an arm of the Democratic Party, spewing constant, made-up, anonymously sourced bs about Trump (continuously adding fuel to his cries of "fake news") and then you've got the pro-Trump media who proclaimed on a daily basis that his shiat doesn't stink and that he loved the U.S. more than cold hard cash, begging their audience to ignore their lying eyes and ears.

Trump was like a 3rd party candidate, but once he had the nomination in the bag, he quickly set to work transforming the Republican party into an image of himself, and that work accelerated dramatically after Clinton snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  So Trump/Trumpism is now officially Republican.  We need true third party candidates, who won't allow the major parties to water down their ranks and dissolve their resolve.  As they say, the Democratic Party is a graveyard for Progressive ideas.  Don't get me started about all the French kissing that is going on between the Democratic Party and former Bush Jr Cabinet war criminals.

Sorry everyone, I just thought I was posting a cute/funny meme.

Lelu Dallas wrote:So much of that is false that I'm just gonna pray for ya buddy.

Prayers work both ways, nuff said

I love the discourse. Sweden never shut down anything, if I remember that right. Did they end up any worse off than any of the countries that shut down, and destroyed their economies? I understand that comparing Sweden to the US isn't apples to apples, but it's reasonably close. I also think it's funny that everyone is predicting the next 'surge' this fall. Something else is happening this fall too, right? It escapes my mind at the moment, but I'll remember at some point.

Term limits.

Poppa Balrog wrote:I love the discourse.  Sweden never shut down anything, if I remember that right.  Did they end up any worse off than any of the countries that shut down, and destroyed their economies?  I understand that comparing Sweden to the US isn't apples to apples, but it's reasonably close.  I also think it's funny that everyone is predicting the next 'surge' this fall.  Something else is happening this fall too, right?  It escapes my mind at the moment, but I'll remember at some point.

Term limits.

I don't think term limits are the solution.  I think reforming our corrupt campaign finance system will do a lot more good than term limits.  These fetid lizard-folk in human skin suits wouldn't be propped up so easily if they didn't have ready access to the oligarch cash teet.

I say we send all the politicians to face the Monsters. Not sure what else they (not the monsters) are good for. Well lotsa laughs. I watch Fox to laugh and CNN to get pissed.

Klagrok wrote:I say we send all the politicians to face the Monsters.  Not sure what else they (not the monsters) are good for.  Well lotsa laughs.

Maybe we can rename The Peasants, The Politicians.

Why not term limits? Campaign finance reform is great too, they don't need to be mutually exclusive. Career politicians shouldn't be a thing.

Poppa Balrog wrote:Why not term limits?  Campaign finance reform is great too, they don't need to be mutually exclusive.  Career politicians shouldn't be a thing.

Without campaign finance reform, term limits will be meaningless.  The same gray ooze that finances the career politicians will keep on financing useless wastes of flesh.  They just won't be in office for as long.  A great way to end career politicians is to end the finance mechanisms that make politics a "get rich quick scheme."  No more revolving doors between industry and politics, is another desperately needed fix.

Have term limits ever failed?  it's a touchstone, for sure, and if the vast majority want it...

Poppa Balrog wrote:Have term limits ever failed?  it's a touchstone, for sure, and if the vast majority want it...

Just because people want it, doesn't mean it will do what they think.  Politicritters will continue to be useless husks, doing the bidding of oligarchs, unless we get oligarch money out of elections/campaigns.